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Okay, we've got three wankers of the week then.

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Yeah, well, there's a lot of wankers involved in that.

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Welcome to The Outlifting Lounge, the weekly show serving queer conversation,

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news and no-nonsense fitness for gay, bi and trans guys.

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I'm Alan.

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And I'm his husband, Derec.

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Coming up today, we're going to discuss Alan's Invisalign lisp,

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talk about our brand new Outlifting Lounge.

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We're moving house!

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Reveal our first ever contenders for Wanker of The Week,

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and in the fitness section, who run the world?

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Gays, apparently.

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Let's start the show by addressing the elephant in

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the room, or should I say the lisp?

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Thank God you said start the show because I started Invisalign this week.

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And can I just say, why did they give it a name with an S

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in it when they know people are going to end up with a lisp?

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When they have aligners in their mouth.

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And I'm, listeners, I am not putting this on.

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This is actually how I am sounding right now.

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You sound like that Drag Race challenge when Roxxy Andrews was Tasha Salad.

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Tatha Thalad.

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I can't even say it.

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You can!

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No, I can't.

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Just as well, we've taken a bit of distance from

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each other today because I'm spitting all over the place.

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Yeah, I asked for the news, not the weather.

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Getting rained on.

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Oh, rain on me.

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God, imagine if I had a spit kink.

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This would be perfect.

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- God, you'd be in your element.
- I would.

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Just as well, we did our singing last week because Kylie

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songs with these in my fucking mouth would have been ridiculous.

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Right, so last week we sang:
♪ Your disco, your disco, needs you ♪♪

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Give that a go.

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I'm giving you pure evils right now.

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Right, hang on.

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♪ Your dithco ♪♪

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♪ Shocked by the power ♪♪

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That one wasn't too bad.

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That was okay.

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You can do an S-H sound.

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I can do an S-H.

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I can't do a D-I-S-C-O.

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I'll tell you what though, it's doing wonders for my Espanol.

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Yeah, your Spanish is sounding much more authentic.

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You sound like you're from the Spanish mainland.

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So you looked up the word for lisp in Spanish earlier,

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which when said with a Canarian Spanish accent, because it's

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not pronounced with a lisp, it should be pronounced el ceceo.

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That would be a lisp, or to lisp would be cecear.

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So how would you pronounce those words?

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Theh-theh-o.

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See, it sounds very authentic.

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And...

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Theh-theh-ar.

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That actually sounds very authentic.

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And then the phrase to say with a lisp would be decir seseando.

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Deh-theer theh-theh-ando.

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Yeah, God, you're Spanish all of a sudden. Look at that.

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I know. I'm like that Catherine Tate sketch from years ago.

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Yeah. You're doing good.

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There was a phrase that I got you to say.

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So we had seen a post on Facebook for something

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I wanted to bake, and it was strawberry cinnamon swirls.

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I'm not a performing monkey, but I'll do it anyway.

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You're on the podcast, so do it.

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Strawberry thinnamon swirls.

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This is going to be funny.

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We are not making fun of people with

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actual voice differences or vocal differences or lisps.

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We are making fun of Alan.

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Just taking the piss out of me.

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Do you know what else happened, yesterday, as well?

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I had to get a front tooth removed so that there's

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room for the teeth to move during this whole process.

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So yeah, so I look like, I'm going way back for

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this one, and some people might get it, some people not,

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but does anybody remember Triga porn from years ago?

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And it was just like rough, scally people.

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I look like I could be on one of those, with my tooth missing at the front.

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I remember.

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Oh, is that you're remembering your spitting fetish as well?

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Yeah, you do look rough.

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I do look rough.

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Good news for you, though, is when I go to Sitges

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in two weeks, nobody's going to want to come near me.

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That'll keep you away from the boys.

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There was one other story when we were discussing what we

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were going to talk about on the podcast this week.

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We always go through a broad range of,

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you know, pop culture topics and news topics.

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There was one story that we very briefly discussed and decided

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we didn't want to touch it with a barge pole.

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But I kind of just threw it in because I wanted to hear you

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say this headline, which is, Katie Price says her spouse is charged with espionage.

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You are pure evil.

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Katie Price says her spouse is charged with ethpionage.

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I tell you what, check-ins are going to be fun on Monday.

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I can't wait to see everybody holding on

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their laugh when I'm speaking to them.

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So hopefully Alan will get used to his Invisalign,

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and it won't be like this every week.

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I mean, I've got like 30 aligners to use, and the end

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date is anywhere between November and March next year, so I can't

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be speaking like this for the next six to nine months.

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No, and I don't think listeners will want to listen to you either.

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We're going to have to do a disclaimer at the start of every show.

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Either that, or you just are going to have to bite the bullet

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and take the aligner out for a half an hour while we record.

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One or the other.

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I think that might be better.

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So the other big thing, apart from Alan's Invisalign, is

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that we are in the process of moving house.

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We have got the keys to our new house,

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and we've basically nearly finished moving everything over, eh?

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Yeah, luckily we got the keys a little bit earlier

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than what we thought, so it meant we could spend

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the weekend shifting our shit over to the new house.

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You're just trying to say as many words with SH

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in them now, because you know, you can say that.

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So yeah, we're going to have a brand new Outlifting Lounge very soon,

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and we haven't done any video recording of the podcast for a little

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while now, but once we're settled into our new lounge properly, we will

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do that, and then we'll put some clips out on social.

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Yes, very exciting.

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Right.

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Shall we discuss some news stories?

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Yeah, let's do it.

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So, we have toyed for a little while about adding a section, a

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regular segment, to the show called Wanker of the Week, and, you know

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what, we've kind of decided against it, but this week we actually do

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have two very strong contenders for the first ever recipient of that award.

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The first one is...

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Should we let the listeners decide who the recipient is?

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Yes, please do get in touch on social media to

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let us know who you think is the biggest wanker.

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But basically, there is a story that came from Bristol.

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You may have seen some footage of some crazed idiot

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ripping down pride flags from outside a school in Bristol.

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Now, the footage was shared by Turning Point UK.

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Says it all really, doesn't it?

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Yeah, which is like Charlie Kirk's organisation with the UK arm, and

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they shared it as 'concerned parent takes down transgender flags at school'.

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So they tried to put a spin on it.

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However, when you hear the rest of the story, you know that

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that kind of backfires on them, because they backed the wrong horse.

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So the guy that allegedly did this, we have

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to say, filmed himself allegedly doing it as well.

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Then obviously has posted it on social media.

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Turning Point UK have then re-shared it, and it turns out the

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police are investigating this as a hate crime, as well as...

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They have also, they've re-arrested the guy,

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because apparently they searched his house.

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And they allegedly found a large quantity of cocaine,

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and he's been re-arrested on drugs and firearms charges.

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Now, they will spend that as a concerned parent, and they're,

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again, it comes under this bracket of protect women and children.

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He doesn't sound like the kind of guy that you want protecting you.

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No, we need protected from him.

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He sounds like an absolute psycho.

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Allegedly.

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So yeah, that's our first contender for Wanker of The Week.

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But just before we move on to the second, what I will say is,

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there's a couple of gays that I know who have shared some rather warm

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words for Kemi Badenoch, the leader of the Conservative Party, recently, singing her praises.

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Now, I was a bit taken aback by this

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because Kemi Badenoch is very homophobic, very transphobic.

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And recently, she targeted the Royal College of Nursing because they

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had the audacity to fly a Pride Progress flag at the

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nursing headquarters in solidarity with the LGBTQIA+ community.

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I'm not saying there's a direct causal link between this, but

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there are certain politicians like Kemi Badenoch who are throwing out

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these dog whistles and they are egging these psychopaths on.

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And then these idiots are going out and ripping down

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flags based on what politicians like Kemi Badenoch say.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's coming from the top, isn't it?

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So it's not surprising that people are acting

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in the way that this guy allegedly acted.

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And the fact that someone like her is getting

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support from people within our community is absolutely crazy.

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It's like gays that support Reform.

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Reform gays

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give your heads a wobble, please.

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We've spoken about that quite a few times before, haven't we?

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Yeah, and before my blood pressure goes up, let's

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move on to our second wanker of the week.

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This is not a new story.

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However, there has been more details come out this week.

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So basically, this is a guy called Mark Jennings.

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Now, Mark is a guy whose full-time job apparently is to be offended.

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He recently took his employer, the Department for Work and Pensions

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in the UK, to an employment tribunal, claiming they discriminated against

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his religious beliefs and failed to accommodate his disability.

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And what is his disability?

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Being scared of pride flags and rainbow laces and drag

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queens and anything basically with a rainbow on it?

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Yeah! So pretty much, yeah.

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So the tribunal happened in November last year.

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It was dismissed on all counts, and he did not win the case.

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It was thrown out.

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But he then requested that the tribunal give

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him written reasons why it was dismissed.

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So those written reasons were finally published this week, and we got to

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view it, and by God, it paints a sorry picture of this guy.

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Do you know what?

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It's actually a little bit reminiscent of Section 28.

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That's what I was thinking about, because he says in his

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statement about the promotion of LGBTQ rights, trans ideology, people forcing

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their pronouns onto people in any promotion of being gay, basically.

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And that's the first thing that I thought about,

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because obviously we're of that generation of Section 28.

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And if some listeners aren't sure of what that is,

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it's basically back in the 80s, the government prohibited any

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promotion of gay life within schools and education.

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It definitely has echoes of that.

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Basically, this guy was assigned to work in Canterbury Job Centre,

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and he wanted the DWP to ban all LGBTQIA+ imagery.

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That's rainbows.

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He wanted to forbid anybody that used pronouns.

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I mean, how you're expected to have a conversation without any pronouns

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is beyond me, because I as a pronoun, you as a pronoun.

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Apparently there's only he and she, according to these people.

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The guy's crazy.

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He said that anything LGBT basically triggered him and

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caused him to have what he describes as autistic

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shutdowns, which I think is just an absolute excuse.

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He's trying to, in my opinion, use these

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things as an excuse to attack LGBT people.

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In one of the sections it says that he

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had a shutdown because he viewed the drag queen.

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Yes.

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Here's something for you.

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Why don't you just close your eyes and then you won't view the drag queen?

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It also mentions in the tribunal report that he also was

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triggered because he was watching Match of the Day and some

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of the players were wearing rainbow laces on their boots.

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I mean, come on.

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I know, I know.

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And the thing is, the job centre where he was assigned to

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work, you would be forgiven for thinking that the place was absolutely

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festooned with rainbow flags and imagery and things like that.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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The tribunal report makes clear that this guy, by his

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own admission, saw one rainbow flag on somebody's desk.

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That's it.

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That's what the whole thing stems from.

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One rainbow flag.

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But he was also asked in the tribunal by the judge

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if he would have objected to a job seeker coming in

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wearing some, like a rainbow t-shirt or a pride imagery.

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And he said, no, he could handle that.

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It was the permanent or semi-permanent stuff that triggered him.

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Not that.

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So, it's quite clear that he knows that he can't say

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that that would trigger him because that would probably actually be

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grounds for dismissal if you're saying that you can't deal with

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people because they're wearing a rainbow on a t-shirt or something.

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So, he's then tied himself in knots saying that he wouldn't

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have a problem with that, but pride flags on somebody's desk

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or a poster or something like that would trigger him.

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But do you know why he said that?

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Because apparently he can separate the sin from the

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sinner and he has gay and transgender friends.

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No, you don't, pal.

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No. I would say that this guy needs to get a hobby, but

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he describes himself as a Roman Catholic and also an evangelical Christian.

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He gave testimony to the tribunal saying that he attends

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three different churches every Sunday, one Catholic and two evangelical.

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So, there's his hobby right there.

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He just basically goes to all these churches.

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He told the court that he thinks that what he calls

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trans ideology is the work of the devil and that the

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pride flag is co-opting God's rainbow from the story of Noah.

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I didn't realise that God had copyright on a rainbow.

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I know!

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Lots of organisations use the rainbow as symbolism.

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The Bible uses it.

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It's not the Bible that invented the rainbow.

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It's a natural phenomenon.

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But this isn't the first time that we've heard of Mark Jennings, is it?

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Because he tried to sue NatWest last year because they

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were using pride imagery in their branch during Pride Month.

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Yeah, he tried to sue them for £35,000, saying that

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he was triggered by the imagery in the branch.

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Now, when it was taken to the Sheriff Court, it was thrown out.

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And not only was it thrown out, but he got absolutely

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humiliated because he represented himself and he quite clearly used ChatGPT.

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And in his court filings, there were citations

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for other court cases that didn't exist.

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There were at least three made-up court cases.

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Absolutely crazy.

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That's karma coming to get you.

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And if you didn't know it, Mark Jennings, karma's a bitch.

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I think this guy needs to get a life.

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I think of the two, he is definitely my Wanker of the Week.

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But you know what?

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We're just going to keep doing our thing.

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We're going to keep existing.

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We're going to keep living and flying our flags.

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And you stay mad, Mark.

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Yes, supporting our rainbow siblings the whole way.

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And do you know what?

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See, since it's the first week that we spoke about Wanker of

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the Week, why don't we give it to both of them?

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Yeah.

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Wankers.

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And if we were to give a group Wanker of the

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Week award, I think it would be to the UK government.

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Why's that, Derec?

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Well, there were new statistics published and revealed

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by Rainbow Migration, who do really, really good

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work protecting LGBT asylum seekers and refugees.

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The detention of LGBTQIA+ people in the UK rose by 70% last year.

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What the hell?

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That is huge.

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I know. But at the same time, the UK government, a couple of weeks ago,

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was announced as the host of the European IDAHOT Forum in 2027.

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So that's the forum against homophobia, transphobia, biphobia, all that.

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And when they made that announcement, the government put out a press

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release saying that they were also announcing a funding package of £21

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million to advance global LGBT plus rights through civil society partnerships.

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Now, the quote from government ministers was that this investment

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reaffirms the UK's commitment to defending the human rights and

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freedoms of all people, including those who are LGBT+.

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We will continue to work in partnership using our diplomatic influence

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and development expertise to help ensure that everyone, everywhere, can live

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their lives without fear of violence, persecution or discrimination.

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Now, that's one UK government department saying that.

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Then you go to the Home Office, and it's...
- A completely different story.

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Completely different story, because they have almost, like,

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well, they've set a 70% increase in the

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amount of LGBTQIA+ people in immigration detention.

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Everyone everywhere?

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Okay.

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Exactly.

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And violence, persecution and discrimination that these people

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are fleeing, that the Foreign Office openly acknowledges.

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So, you can't have it both ways.

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You can't be seen to be a shining beacon for LGBT

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people worldwide, while at the same time locking them up in

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immigration detention, because they have the tumerity to ask for asylum.

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Okay, well, I've got three wankers of the week then.

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Yeah. That's, there's, well, there's a lot of wankers involved in that.

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There's an embarrassment of wankers there.

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God, this was a, this was quite a cathartic episode, actually.

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It was.

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All I've done is rant.

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It was quite good.

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I'll stop running my mouth, and let's actually talk about running instead.

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Oh, I like what you did there!

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I know, I'm good with a segue.

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So we've moved on to the fitness section, and this

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is definitely Derec's remit, because I am not a runner.

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I don't even run for the bus.

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I would much rather teach a 45-minute Bodycombat

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class than go for a 5k run.

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But you have forced me out in a run a few times.

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Yeah. And it's been, in fact, shall we talk about that time in Sitges

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when I went for a run for the very first time ever?

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Yeah, it didn't go very well.

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No, I couldn't walk for about a week after it.

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My calves were so, so painful.

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And that probably put me off it as well.

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Yeah, and that was, it was quite a flat run,

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because we ran along the seafront, along the promenade.

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We ran topless down the promenade, and a

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young lady crashed her bike into me.

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Listeners, in case you didn't know, Derec is very humble.

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Well, you were there.

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That's exactly what happened.

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She was eyeing me up, and then she ended up losing

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control of her bike and crashing it into me.

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And I was like, hen, wrong bus!

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In fact, wrong bike!

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Yeah, I cycle the other way!

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My bicycle has no seat.

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So, moving on to running, Derec is going to

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have a little chat to you about running.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, we decided we would talk, we talk about a variety of different

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fitness topics on this show, and we thought running might be a good one,

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because it is marathon season, and we spoke recently about our clients, Michael and

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Stuart, who ran the London Marathon, and they are super inspiring.

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They both got excellent times, especially

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Michael for his first ever marathon.

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Can I just interject, first and last?

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He said he's never doing a marathon again.

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I don't know, maybe, do you know, this is what we all say.

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No, trust me, he's never doing a marathon again.

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And Stuart as well.

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I mean, did Stuart get a PB?

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He did. He got a PB, yeah.

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So, they did really, really well.

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They're super inspiring, and they have inspired me, because I, have not really been

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out running for quite a while, and I want to get back at it.

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So, this week, I am going to buy some running shoes.

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I have got a running buddy, and we're going to start

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going out doing a few 5k runs to begin with.

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I am not the running buddy, by the way.

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No, you're definitely not.

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All you would do is moan the whole

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time, and you get a miserable experience.

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- Wow.
- Yeah.

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So, yeah, we're going to talk about running very briefly.

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We're going to give some tips for any

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aspiring runners who might be listening in.

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So, just before we do, let's just talk about why run.

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So, there are lots of reasons why you might want to...

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Yes, why?

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Why?

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It's not why, it's why.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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It's positive.

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So, there are many reasons why you might want to run.

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Everybody has their own.

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First off, there's a really low barrier to entry.

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Like, anybody can go out running.

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It's not that difficult.

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You don't need a fancy gym membership.

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And that's why it has such mass appeal.

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Okay, that's one point.

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I'll give you that.

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Second of all, it's really good for your cardiovascular health.

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Undeniably so.

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Two points.

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It is a very good way to burn calories if your goal is to lose body fat.

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Yes.

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Caveat, though, it doesn't just have to be

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running that you do to lose body fat.

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There are other options out there because I know a lot

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of people think, Oh, I need to go for a run.

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Everybody's running.

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And that's the only way that you can,

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you know, burn calories and lose body fat.

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But it's just one way of doing it.

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And if you enjoy running, perfect.

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If you don't, don't put yourself through the misery.

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- Yourshelf?
- Yourshelf.

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And the last one that I've noted, and this is

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one definitely for me, it's the mental health benefits.

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It really does help to clear your head and it

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gets you out of a gym setting and into nature.

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Maybe not.

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Maybe you live in a big city and you don't have that

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much nature around you, but just getting outdoors and different scenery.

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And there's just something about it.

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I find for me, maybe the first kilometre or two kilometres that

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I run, I'm kind of like, I just want to stop.

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And then there's something happens that when I get in, I find my

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stride, I find my pace, and all of a sudden, my mental state

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changes, and it just, it really helps to clear my head.

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There's something almost meditative about running for me, and

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it is, it's just that like, boom, boom, your

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feet hitting the ground, and your head just clears.

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Yeah, I find it great for that.

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Yeah, I think that's a really good point, actually, especially if

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you are someone that maybe has a bit of gym anxiety,

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but you want to do something to increase your fitness, like

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all those points you've just said there are really good.

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They help you just get started, and you don't need

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to be anywhere near the gym to do that.

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This is a really good time of year to start running

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as well, because it's not overly cold in the Northern Hemisphere.

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It's actually quite warm at the minute, so you're not

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really having to battle with the weather quite as much.

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And also, in the Northern Hemisphere, the

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lighter days and evenings make it safer.

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One thing I will say, though, about this time of year is remember to wear

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appropriate sun cream if you're going out when it is sunny, because I saw a

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TikTok during the week, and it was a slideshow, and it was a guy who

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had run the Edinburgh Marathon, and didn't think anything of it until the next day,

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and he has basically got a very prominent vest tan line.

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Well, not even a tan line, a sunburn line, burned in.

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He's the same colour as a drumstick lolly.

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Yeah. He is bright red, and then where his vest was is white,

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and he's going to have that for years and years and years.

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To be fair, though, he was running in Edinburgh, so he

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probably thought, oh, it's only Scotland, I don't need to bother.

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But, you know, the UV rating can be high in Scotland as well.

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Yeah, definitely.

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And especially, sometimes it can be cloudy.

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I can't remember.

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I think the Belfast Marathon in 2010, I want to say.

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Maybe it was 2008.

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But I ran, basically, and had misjudged, because it was cloudy.

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There was not really any, like, direct sunlight all day.

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But yeah, I got, like, a little bit of a sunburn.

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Not much, but just a little bit on the top of my head.

495
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So yeah, you do need to be very, very careful, because depending on how

496
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long you're out for, even if you're out for a half an hour just

497
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:55,290
running or jogging, you can get a significant amount of sun in that time.

498
00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:58,350
And also, especially with the way the weather is just now in the

499
00:23:58,350 --> 00:24:02,650
Northern Hemisphere over the past week, make sure that you are staying hydrated.

500
00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:05,640
You don't need to really worry too much about some of

501
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,870
these things if you're just beginning, because let's face it, you're

502
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:10,420
not going to be going out for very long.

503
00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:14,900
But the very first tip I think I would give for anybody who is

504
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:19,750
beginning or maybe getting back into running is to actually have a training plan.

505
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:24,030
Now, that doesn't need to mean that it's overly complicated.

506
00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:27,290
It can be as simple as Couch to 5k, which is the one that

507
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:31,690
I would always recommend to people because it is a really good programme.

508
00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:34,570
If you don't know how that works, basically, you

509
00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:37,190
start off very, very gently in week one.

510
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:38,870
I think it's mostly just walking.

511
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:42,880
And then you work your way up, you walk for a little bit, then

512
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,030
you do a light jog for maybe a minute, walk for a minute, jog

513
00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:49,390
for a minute, and it builds up your stamina bit by bit.

514
00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:53,450
So it kind of combats that all or nothing mentality and it breaks

515
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:56,840
it down into little steps so that at the end of the Couch

516
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,830
to 5k programme, you're actually able to run 5k without stopping.

517
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:05,180
Yeah, it's the one that we always recommend to clients whenever they mention

518
00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:07,590
that they want to start running and have never done it before.

519
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:08,280
It's really good.

520
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,210
Yeah, so based on your own ability, I mean, you might be able to

521
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:15,140
skip ahead a little bit if it starts off too basic for you, but

522
00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:19,110
actually having that kind of training plan so that you can see progression and

523
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:22,290
you know where you're going stops you getting frustrated with yourself.

524
00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:25,610
If you maybe are not, if you discover that you're not as

525
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:28,380
fit as you thought you were when you take up running, that

526
00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:30,930
can be a source of frustration, which makes people give it up.

527
00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:33,230
But having that kind of training plan that you

528
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:35,050
can take at your own pace combats that.

529
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,520
The second tip is the importance of correct footwear.

530
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,880
We drove past someone yesterday that was out running and it

531
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,510
sounded like he was running on flip-flops because the way his

532
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:48,830
feet were hitting the ground, they sounded so flat and they

533
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:52,250
just sounded like normal fashion trainers that you had on.

534
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:53,970
I think it was a pair of Converse and

535
00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:56,840
there was like zero padding, they're just really flat.

536
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,730
And you do see this quite often where people take up,

537
00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:02,380
and I think I'll just wear those, the impact on your

538
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:05,470
joints, on your knees and your hips can be quite severe.

539
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,540
And you might not notice it at first, but it can lead to problems.

540
00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:12,970
So when I started running, I was a bit clueless, and I got

541
00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:17,550
a pair of running shoes that were not entirely suitable for me.

542
00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:19,950
And it was only when I started running some longer

543
00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:23,060
distances that I started having knee issues and hip issues.

544
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:28,350
Then I had a gait analysis done, which basically you go

545
00:26:28,350 --> 00:26:30,570
on a treadmill and it looks at how your feet land,

546
00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:33,290
and then they recommend the right shoes for you.

547
00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:37,000
So I need good stability shoes because I overpronate.

548
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,170
Where can you get one of those gait assessments done?

549
00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:41,520
A lot of the running shops do it.

550
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,110
I think Decathlon might do, and places like that.

551
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:47,950
There are other ways that you can do it from home.

552
00:26:47,950 --> 00:26:49,830
There are certain methods if you Google it.

553
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:52,310
I think like if you get a sheet of paper and you wet your

554
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:54,990
foot, and then you put your foot down to see how it lands.

555
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,000
There's all these different ways.

556
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
You can also just try different shoes and

557
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,150
see what you feel best supported in.

558
00:27:01,150 --> 00:27:05,130
But the best method is to go and get an actual proper gait analysis done.

559
00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:08,600
A lot of these places will do it for free because

560
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,240
they know that you're then going to buy shoes there.

561
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,650
So it's a win-win for them.

562
00:27:13,650 --> 00:27:17,050
But there's nothing to be scared of in doing that.

563
00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:18,890
It means that you're going to have proper

564
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:22,680
footwear for you, and it'll protect your joints.

565
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,470
And although you really do need to try to get some decent footwear, the next

566
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:30,220
tip is that you don't need all of the gear to start off with.

567
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:32,000
Really, you just need some decent shoes,

568
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,720
some appropriate clothing, and maybe some headphones.

569
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,450
Headphones, definitely.

570
00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:38,200
Like music is going to keep you motivated.

571
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,510
And like you were saying earlier, the boom, boom, boom with your step.

572
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:44,130
If you get something that is a particular beats per minute,

573
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:46,960
and it's going to help with your pace and stay motivated

574
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,850
and focused, then yeah, that's the tip as well.

575
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:52,420
And also the Couch to 5k is an audio

576
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:54,160
programme that you listen to as you run.

577
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,200
So that's another reason why you might need them.

578
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,560
In terms of appropriate clothing, there's no hard and fast rule.

579
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,590
Just you don't want something that's going to chafe

580
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:03,970
when you're starting out, so just think of that.

581
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:07,920
The next tip as well, so obviously we said it's quite light

582
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,350
at the minute, but if you are going out running when it's

583
00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:13,990
a bit darker, make sure you're wearing reflective gear, or maybe you're

584
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:17,790
wearing a light, something to make you visible, because it's safety first.

585
00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:21,430
A lot of running shorts and running tops that are marketed as those,

586
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:25,590
you might think what makes those running gear and ordinary sports gear not?

587
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:29,530
It's because quite a lot of them have reflective elements to them that

588
00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:32,820
you only really notice when it's dark and you flash light on them.

589
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:36,870
The next tip I would say is that you can run on

590
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:40,090
treadmill, absolutely nothing wrong with that, and if that helps you get

591
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:42,760
your confidence levels up and your fitness levels up, do that.

592
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,380
But there is a big difference between treadmill running and road running in terms

593
00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:51,800
of the impact that it has on your body and on your feet.

594
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,920
So don't, for instance, train to run a 5k distance and

595
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,250
then be surprised that you find it difficult to do a

596
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:02,220
5k outdoors if all of your training has been treadmill.

597
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:05,170
Just on that, actually, I was just thinking, Parkruns are a really

598
00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:08,770
good way, like a social way to actually get into running as well.

599
00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:12,050
Maybe not as a beginner because it's a 5k and if you're maybe not

600
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:16,040
up to that level yet, but if you're running at the minute and your

601
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,470
distances are maybe like 3, 4k and you want to push yourself, Parkruns

602
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:22,820
on Saturday mornings in the UK are a really good way of doing that.

603
00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:24,820
I actually think that's a really good goal.

604
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:29,460
And a lot of running clubs that run Couch to 5k programmes

605
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:34,040
will use a Parkrun 5k as almost like a graduation.

606
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,250
That's your target, that's your goal at the end and then you go,

607
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:42,340
you run the Parkrun and that is your achievement at the end.

608
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:43,960
So yeah, it is really good.

609
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,180
And on that note, the next tip is actually about

610
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:50,460
look into running clubs or maybe having a running buddy.

611
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:54,140
If you find that motivation is difficult or if you have concerns with

612
00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:57,500
safety or even just you want like-minded people to go out with.

613
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,740
There are plenty of running clubs out there.

614
00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:04,860
I mean, most cities have a Frontrunners, which

615
00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:07,350
is usually the LGBT running club.

616
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:12,200
So look into that, just search for your city and Frontrunners afterwards.

617
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,890
So for instance, I know that there's

618
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:17,600
a Newcastle Frontrunners, Manchester, London, Glasgow, Edinburgh,

619
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,090
Aberdeen, they're all over the world essentially.

620
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:23,500
There's Frontrunners in New York and cities everywhere.

621
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:24,900
So have a look into those.

622
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,250
Also as well with the Frontrunners, they have a

623
00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:29,160
really good social element to it as well.

624
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Stuart, our client, he's a member of the Glasgow Frontrunners and

625
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,510
quite often he's out with them, you know, doing different things.

626
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:37,370
So again, if you want to meet new people,

627
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:39,040
it's a really good way of doing it.

628
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,160
Yeah, absolutely.

629
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,700
I remember when Stuart joined, because I used

630
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:45,370
to go out running with the Glasgow Frontrunners.

631
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:49,520
I remember when Stuart joined and he was running shorter distances, you know,

632
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,200
he'd 5k and then worked up to 10k and got really, really into

633
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,540
running and I mean, now look at him, he's running regularly, running marathons.

634
00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:58,870
He's doing brilliant.

635
00:30:58,870 --> 00:31:02,840
Yeah, he did Rome Marathon a couple of weeks before London.

636
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Yeah see, it's addictive.

637
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,230
The next tip I'm going to give is a smartwatch is a really

638
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:12,310
good way of keeping track of your runs and logging these things does

639
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:15,890
help because you can look back on your progress and what you've done.

640
00:31:15,890 --> 00:31:18,920
But if you don't have a smartwatch, don't let that be a

641
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,350
barrier because your phone can pretty much do a similar job.

642
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:26,110
But what you might want to do then is just get maybe

643
00:31:26,110 --> 00:31:28,900
a cheap running belt or an arm strap or somewhere that you

644
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:32,430
can secure your phone so you're not having to carry it about.

645
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:35,420
And then I've got one last tip and I know that

646
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:38,090
this is something you'll agree with because in general, for any

647
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:42,170
form of exercise, it is very important, but particularly for running.

648
00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:43,520
Warming up and cooling down.

649
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,300
Absolutely.

650
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,460
Yeah, I think this is probably the most

651
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:47,870
important tip that you're going to give here.

652
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:49,690
Warming up and and cooling down.

653
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:51,270
Do not skip them.

654
00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:53,060
Yeah, they're super, super important.

655
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:55,530
Warming up just to get your body ready for the actual run.

656
00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:57,440
And what would that comprise of, Derec?

657
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,860
So, dynamic movements.

658
00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:01,500
You want to open up the joints.

659
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:04,700
You want to get the synovial fluid in your joints flowing.

660
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,670
So, think of things like running on the spot with high knees.

661
00:32:07,670 --> 00:32:09,160
Maybe you're lunging forward.

662
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,720
You're opening up the joints.

663
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,170
You basically, there are lots of warm-up routines that

664
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:15,990
you can find on the likes of YouTube.

665
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:18,790
So, don't try to reinvent the wheel.

666
00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:22,770
You just want to move your body about, get it ready for some exercise.

667
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:27,380
Now, conversely, you do a different kind of cool down.

668
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:31,860
So, that would be more static stretches during your cool down.

669
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:36,410
So, think of stretching out your hamstrings where you're bringing one leg forward,

670
00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:39,590
you bend the back knee, you feel that stretch up the back of

671
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:43,130
your leg, and you hold it for maybe like 20 or 30 seconds,

672
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:47,260
that gentle stretch to elongate the muscle after your run.

673
00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:48,900
Yeah, super, super important

674
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:51,350
just to prevent injury, and just get your

675
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:54,360
body back down to equilibrium after the run.

676
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,740
So, yeah, make sure, as well as looking at a running plan,

677
00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:00,730
you're looking at a warm up and cool down plan as well.

678
00:33:00,730 --> 00:33:02,410
Yeah, all good advice.

679
00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:04,510
Right, I think we have talked to death

680
00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:07,760
about running, so let's wrap up the show.

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