Welcome to episode 19 of The Outlifting Lounge.
This is the show all about
pride, fitness, and everything in between.
I'm Alan.
And I'm Derec.
In today's show, we will be discussing a
huge cultural event here in Gran Canaria.
We will talk about some really
amazing LGBT news from the Netherlands.
And then in the fitness section of the
show, we will be discussing how you can
take yourself from feeling stuck, maybe a bit
like a beginner in the gym.
You know that you need to move on.
You don't know how?
We will tell you how.
So keep watching and listening.
So it's been a busy week, eh, Alan?
It's been really busy, yeah.
We had a birthday party on Tuesday.
We met some friends on Thursday
that are also fitness instructors.
They are from Scandinavia.
We've got friends that arrived on Friday.
They're doing a cruise.
So we met them for the day up in Las Palmas.
An actual cruise, I just
need to point out, because...
On a ship and everything.
I know, because we live in Gran
Canaria, obviously, and there's a lot of
different kind of cruising goes on here.
But yes, they were all above board. Yes.
On board.
We had our friend Paddy arrive on Saturday, and
my dad is going to arrive tomorrow on Monday.
Shhhhh!
Oh, don't tell Haggis.
Don't tell Haggis.
Haggis, our dog, that's his favourite person in
the world, and he does not know.
And he will not know until we bring
him to the airport, and then he'll start
getting excited because he knows that somebody he
likes will be coming through the arrival doors.
And when he sees it, it's his granddad.
He will go cock-a-hoop.
Yes, it's always very cute.
And it just makes the airport stop because
Haggis is very loud when he barks, and
he actually doesn't bark, he screams, doesn’t he?
Yelps.
I think yelp is the right word.
But yeah, that's something to look forward to.
Always something to look forward to.
We'll stick a wee video of that up
on social media at some point, I'm sure.
Yes, definitely.
That's enough about us.
Now, shall we start the show?
Let's do it. Okay.
Regular subscribers will know
that we normally do a little bit of
queer pop culture, followed by some
news, and then a little bit of fitness.
So our queer pop culture this
week is very local for us.
We want to talk about something really,
really amazing, which is the Drag Gala
in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria.
It's amazing, and unfortunately, we've not had a
chance to go and see it live, because
the tickets sell out in like 10 minutes.
It's amazing.
It is a local phenomenon.
It is part of the local carnival in
Las Palmas, and I mean, carnival culture in Spain is
massive, usually around February, March time, and they are
staggered in lots of locations around Spain.
But Las Palmas has, I think it's now the
biggest event in the calendar for Las Palmas.
They've got the Drag Carnival, the Drag Gala,
and that started off, I think, in 1998.
So it's been going for quite a long time now.
And it's not just specific
to the LGBTQIA+ community.
People are actually queuing up for
days to buy tickets for this.
And when we were watching it,
I mean, the audience is huge.
It's a big, big production.
But when it pans to the audience,
it's like wee grannies up dancing, and
it's a big family event, isn't it?
It's so ridiculously mainstream.
And the other thing I love about
it as well is that it's broadcast
on Spain's equivalent of the BBC, basically.
And the production quality is just amazing.
It's phenomenal.
It's so, so good.
And the other thing about Carnival in general
as well is that practically everything is free.
People can just come.
There are certain events that are ticketed.
There are only three events that are paid.
And the Drag Gala is, it's like 15 euros.
It's nothing.
Yeah, nothing at all.
It's, it's amazing.
The, and one of our favourite drag
queens performed at it as well, Armani,
and she is an amazing Whitney Houston,
Tina Turner, Diana Ross impersonator.
And she did Tina that night and she must
have had about, what, 20 dancers on stage?
It was phenomenal.
I should say that if anybody is listening
to the audio version of this show on
a podcast platform, you might be missing out.
On the YouTube version, we will put some
videos up as well to show what we're
talking about because it needs to be seen.
Phenomenal.
But yeah, that was part of the opening show.
We had Armani doing the
most incredible Tina Turner impersonation.
That is just so, so good.
Her makeup, her mannerisms, everything is
just down to a T.
And then, in that, we also had, like,
somebody was doing J-Lo, somebody did Lady Gaga,
which was amazing because two guys came out
on the motorbikes and drove around the stage.
And then she came out, the Lady
Gaga impersonator came out on the biggest
neon electric guitar motorcycle you've ever seen.
And the staging is just out of this world.
It's absolutely massive.
They had, like, a Vegas theme going on.
The dancers' costumes were amazing.
The performers' costumes were amazing.
I'm actually raging we don't get to, well, we probably
can get to go and see it, but we just
need to queue for, like, four days to get tickets.
I know that those queues were unreal, like, and
it literally does just sell out in 10 minutes.
The stage was so big that when
the opening show finished, it was a
Cher impersonator, and I lost count.
I think at the end of the performance, there
were probably, with Cher and the backing dancers, there
was probably about 60 people on stage.
It was just such a production. Huge.
Yeah. And then, of course, so that was the final.
There were 12 finalists, all
doing a different show.
They had four minutes each to do a show.
And I think we should really point
out, if anybody hasn't seen what traditional
Canarian drag is, they are missing out.
It's something completely different to
what you think drag is.
Really high energy.
The costumes are just out of this world.
Massive, massive, massive boots that they wear.
I mean, they must be, what,
like 20 inches high, at least.
They're absolutely huge.
If anybody wants to see some Canarian drag, I think
a good place to go to is Drag Race España.
Season one, I think, Sethlas was on.
So Drag Sethlas won the
Las Palmas Drag Gala in 2017.
There was a lot of controversy about that
as well, but I'll not go into it.
But he won, he competed in Drag Race España
as well, and he brought the Canarian drag with
him, and it was a really good example.
And as well as that, another little crossover, RuPaul
was a guest performer in 2008.
Just before Drag Race season one started in the US.
A year before, well, remembered.
I read my notes.
So yeah, she performed, and I want
to say that she sang live.
Really?
I think so, yeah.
Are you sure about that?
I watched a video of it.
RuPaul, who puts minimum effort into
everything she does when she performs.
Yeah, go figure.
It was, yeah, it was quite something.
It was good to see vintage RuPaul.
I say vintage, it was 2008.
It's not bad vintage, but that's quite vintage.
Yeah.
Almost 20 years ago.
Want to feel old?
Yeah, so it's pretty good.
There's lots of history to it.
It was a fantastic show.
But the drags, so my favourite one was
Drag Ego, or Ego, and they came out,
them and their backing dancers were all, it
was very Bratz, almost, that kind of aesthetic.
As in Bratz dolls?
Yes.
And then at the end, they finished the
show, and on the screens behind them, they
had lots of headlines about ADHD.
Things like medication shortages for ADHD,
and how pupils are being failed
in schools, and things like that.
So it was really, really good that they used
that platform to spread that message and awareness.
I love that.
Yeah, it is.
Obviously, the performances are amazing, but the message
behind them is super important as well.
Yeah. What was your favourite one
with the political message?
I think mine was Drag Shíky.
They were the first runner-up, and their
message was about the housing crisis in
the Canary Islands, especially Airbnbs, how they've
taken over a lot of the housing.
And I think that really hit home
for a lot of people in the
audience, because lots of people were cheering.
But especially when they came out with
the Canarian flag costume, that was brilliant.
That was so good.
At the end of it, it
was all just about Canarian pride. Brilliant.
Yeah, I got goosebumps when that came out. Yeah.
I consider myself Canarian now.
One thing that was funny about it, they
put up a listing for an apartment, which
was four square metres for €3,000 a month.
And you could hear the audience laughing over the
music, because it's not far from the truth.
So I don't want to labour on this
too long, because we will bore people, but
I want to touch on Drag Avalon.
So they did a whole Dia de los
Muertos theme, and there's a Mexican folklore tale
of La Llorona, the crying woman.
But then the halftime reveal was phenomenal.
She came out strapped to this apparatus,
and they spun her around really fast.
A bit like when a magician...
A human Catherine wheel?
A human Catherine wheel.
I was actually going to say a bit
like when a magician comes out and throws
knives at somebody who's strapped to the board,
and they're spinning around, a bit like that.
She was going far too fast for that.
Yeah, she definitely would have ended up
with a knife on her leg.
Another favourite was Drag Sequins.
She was amazing.
She came out, and it was a plastic surgery thing.
I think her wig could have been a wee bit bigger.
Yeah.
It was probably the same height
as me, and I'm 5'5".
We should probably explain for the people on the audio
version of this that it was a pretty big wig.
It was humongous. Yeah.
Then she came out at one point
riding a syringe like a bucking bronco.
Brilliant.
I don't know where they get their ideas from.
It's so creative.
As well as that drag, Yshia Taisma?
Don't know how to pronounce it,
but I probably butchered it.
She was really good.
She did a plastic surgery theme as well, but
she came out dressed as the board game Operation.
Massive big Operation board game, walking about the
stage, and one of her backing dancers was
a surgeon who was playing the game.
They had the buzzer sound effects and stuff,
and then the board flipped down, and again,
she's wearing a big wig as well.
But then, her little halftime number, in between, when
she did a costume change, she came out and
did incredible breakdancing, like actual breakdancing on the stage,
which I thought was very good.
And then she had dancers dressed up
as syringes and bottles of Botox.
Very cartoonish, with little eyes and stuff.
Not camp at all.
It was right up our alley.
And then, our winner, spoiler alert, was...
Drag Tacones.
They did a flamenco theme as well, so it
was very, very Spanish, very flamenco, very Andalusian.
The performance was great.
All the staging, the dancers, everything was
excellent, so it was a well-deserved win.
And they've got a good name.
Tacones in English means
stilettos, basically, high heels.
Yes. So, that is the Drag Gala
de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria.
I want to go next year.
Right, we've talked enough about drag.
Shall we move on to the next section?
Yeah, let's cover the news.
The news this week that we wanted to
cover, we wanted to keep it quite positive,
because there's a lot of news stories out
there that are not so positive.
But this week, in LGBT world, there was
something that really jumped out, and that was...
The Prime Minister of the Netherlands has
just been inaugurated, and he is the
first openly gay Prime Minister.
And he's also their youngest ever Prime Minister.
Double bonus.
And he's easy on the eye.
Triple bonus.
Yeah, really, really positive, really forward, and
as well as that, he's really pro-EU.
He wants to put the Netherlands back at the
heart of the EU, which is brilliant because they
have got very divisive forces in Netherlands.
They have got their own Nigel
Farage-esque character over there as well,
who's trying to drag them out.
So that's super positive as well.
Don't think he's got an easy journey ahead of
him, though, because he's in a small coalition.
So I think there'll be a lot of pushback.
But, I mean, to have an openly gay
Prime Minister of a European country is phenomenal.
Brilliant.
Really, really good.
And, as well, his partner is really good as well.
He's an Olympian.
And he will become the first gentleman.
Once they get married, he will
be the first first gentleman.
First first gentleman. Yeah.
It is a proper glass ceiling moment for the
Netherlands as well, and globally as well, because I
don't think we've seen many areas where there are
openly, outwardly gay people in high office.
Finally, some positive LGBTQIA+ news.
So I suppose all we need now is for the
UK to really get behind Zach Polanski, and then the
UK would have a gay Prime Minister as well?
Yes, and obviously the result of the
by-election in Manchester with the Greens winning.
Total two fingers up to Reform.
Total kick in the balls to Labour.
Fucking brilliant.
Fucking brilliant indeed.
I think particularly for me, because Labour have
been awful on LGBTQIA issues, like really awful.
They have thrown trans people,
in particular, under the bus.
So, to use our favourite Scottish
phrase, get it right up ye.
Get it right up ye.
We've covered some really positive news there, so why
don't we move on to the fitness section.
Welcome to the fitness section of the show.
Now, listen up.
If you are the kind of guy who, maybe you've
been going to the gym for a little while.
You've had some successes on your fitness journey, but perhaps
you feel that you have maybe plateaued, or you just
don't know how to take yourself out of the beginner
phase and into the next stage of your fitness journey,
then what we're going to talk about today is exactly
that, and it is for you.
So, Alan, do you want to kick us off?
We hear it all the time, don't we?
Guys come to us and they're talking about,
they've kind of hit that wall, they've hit
the plateau, and it's because they're doing the
same thing every time they go in.
Three sets of 10, using the same
machines, maybe don't have the confidence to
move from their safety net.
of those same machines to
somewhere new in the gym.
And we get it, you know, going from working out
to a gym goer with intent can be quite difficult.
So you just prepare to stay in
your comfort bubble, which we totally get.
So hopefully by the end of this section, people
are going to have a bit more of an
idea of how to break through that wall.
Yeah, we're going to simplify it with three really
clear and easy steps that people can go through.
I think what prompted us this week is, a new client
that we took on who is exactly in this position.
They have been on their fitness journey.
They have had really good success
in their fitness journey so far.
They've accomplished really good things.
But that leap now into the next section for them
is what they feel that they need our help with.
And they have been our
regular listener of the show.
And that's what prompted them to get in
touch with us in the first place.
And we're super excited now to help
them to build on their successes.
successes so far.
But yeah, that's exactly what we'll be doing.
And some of the stuff that we're
talking about today hopefully will help other
people as well who are tuning in.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's been on an incredible journey.
Like you said, he's had loads of success on his
own, but he just recognises now that he's at the
stage where they just need that extra push, bit of
structure, bit more routine and guidance, support.
So I'm really excited for his
journey over the next few months.
We mentioned breaking this down into three simple
steps, and the first step that we want
to talk about today is the foundation.
So that is all about getting to the core of why
you want to work out, why you go to the gym.
I think a lot of people get stuck in this
rut where they do it out of habit or do
it because they think it's what they should do, but
you need to either discover what your why is, what
your reason is, or you need to reconnect with it.
And sometimes your why changes, and it is always
good to refocus and think about these things again.
So we have prepared some examples, and these
are ones that we have heard before of
reasons why, when we dig deep with our
clients, these are the reasons why.
So we've had somebody come to us before, and
they loved playing tennis, and they maybe stopped because
they weren't as fit or they weren't as able
to keep up with it anymore, and they felt
that their skill level really wasn't matching their ambition.
So that's, that gave them the focus then to
go into the gym with a proper plan.
Other examples could be maybe a professional.
You feel that if your job is
quite active, you maybe can't keep up
with your younger co-workers anymore.
Perhaps it is the fact your why could
be, maybe you want to future-proof yourself.
You know, as we get on a little bit, as
we get into our 30s and into our 40s, our
focus does turn into trying to prevent illness.
and prevent disease and maintain healthiness so
that we can really enjoy our lives
into the next few decades.
There's no right or wrong answer
when it comes to your why.
Everybody's why is going to be different.
It's going to be different if you're
in your 30s, different if you're 40s,
different if you're in your 50s.
And it's really important that you really drill
down on what your why is and don't
think that it should be this.
It's what's important to you.
Being connected to your sense of purpose
and your why and your reason is
important to keep you going.
On the days when you can't rely on motivation,
it is your why that keeps you going.
I think you wanted to cover one that
was very specific to the LGBT community next.
So yeah, gender affirming goals.
So for our trans brothers, that might
be working towards a more masculine silhouette.
So for some people, that might be bigger
shoulders, bigger chest and arms, a broader back.
So their why is going to be specific to that.
So they would need to then change their training
to make sure that that is their end goal.
That is a really strong why
for anybody that has gender dysphoria.
Yeah, absolutely amazing.
So just to move on and give another
couple of quick examples, you know that we
never shy away from sensitive topics here.
Such as?
Such as.
I'm actually going to put this out here.
We are approaching our mid-40s.
I'm going to be 45 a week tomorrow.
Okay. And do you still wake up
every morning with morning wood?
Luckily, I do.
And you know me, a gentle breeze is all it takes.
Yes, I do.
So I am very fortunate as well.
I'm just going to say it because these
are things that need to be talked about.
Every morning, I wake up solid as a rock.
Not everybody in our age
category can say the same.
This is not medical advice.
But for some people, they maybe want to
work out to keep their cardiovascular health.
so that they feel more virile.
And again, that could be another example of a why.
That could be your reason or one of your reasons.
And on that note, stamina in the bedroom as well.
Having the core strength, the flexibility, and just being able
to last as long as you want to last.
That's super important.
Yeah, I can still get my legs behind my head.
With a little help.
If you are fit, healthy, strong, you've
got good core strength, you've got flexibility.
I know from experience, I'm going to put
it out there, you have better sex.
So you're picking yourself up there, eh?
In general, if anything is going to motivate people,
if that is something that is important to people,
make that your reason for going to the gym.
Yeah, and I think the last one
in this category, I would say, is
the most common one, and that's aesthetics.
A lot of people come to us and
they say, I want to look hot.
And that is different for everyone.
For some people, it's six-pack abs
and, you know, low body fat.
For other people, it's just feeling confident
in their own skin and their clothes.
So, again, drill down and what
is that why for you?
What does hot, inverted commas, mean for you?
Yeah. A popular trend at the minute is a
lot of gay guys want a big ass.
They want a juicy dump truck ass.
And that, again, that's totally valid.
And that leads us into the next sort of
phase, which is using your why to determine how
you then progress in the gym next.
So using that example is, if you want a
bigger ass, for instance, that is then going to
dictate what you do in the gym, because maybe
that means that you sit down and look at
what you have been doing and figure out how
you evolve your training plan to maybe add more
squats, more split squats, lunges, anything that you can
think of that can maybe juice up the bum.
Side note as well, like I said, I'm
going to be 45 a week tomorrow.
And for me, when I was in my
20s and 30s, definitely aesthetics were super important.
They still are in a way just now, but
I actually prefer my body with a little bit
more body fat on it just now.
I feel like I look a bit
bigger, a bit bulkier, muscle bear.
I'm not saying I'm a bear.
I'm a bear now?
Can I still be a cub?
No, I can't, can I?
I'm too old.
Are you an otter?
Maybe an otter.
Maybe I'm an otter still.
I'll go for that.
Our friend Nina still calls us her
otters, so hey, let's go for that. Yeah.
But I think the point I'm making is that the
way I wanted to look when I was younger is
a bit different from how I'm comfortable now.
So again, this section is
really about strategy now.
So the first bit was foundations, figuring
out your why and connecting with it.
This now is about your strategy for
turning your why into a programme, essentially.
So we've used that example of the
ass and how that would dictate stuff.
Let's talk about sex again, because it's
something we love to talk about.
So using that example of somebody who wants
better bedroom performance, off the top of your
head, what do you think they would maybe
need to look at in terms of their
training programme to make that a reality?
Well, if it's stamina, cardio, that's the
first thing that you want to introduce.
If you're maybe not doing a lot
of cardio at the moment, then maybe
that's something you want to look at.
If you are doing it, maybe look
at increasing your cardio a bit more.
Exactly.
And we're not talking about like sprinting
on the treadmill because you don't want
to sprint in the bedroom either.
It can be slow, steady state cardio so
that you can last a long time.
Let's think endurance.
Endurance.
It's a marathon, not two pumps and a squat.
Exactly.
We've all been there.
But as well as that, as well as the endurance
and the cardio element of it, somebody, if that is
their why, they might also want to think about the
actions that they're doing in the bedroom.
So, for instance, they might want to work on
their core strength because that is super important.
They might want to work on
their legs and their glute strength.
Maybe incorporating exercises like hip thrusts, which
I think should be very obvious why
that would be relevant to strengthen those
muscles in the bedroom. Yeah.
Well, if you're a top anyway.
I was going to say, think about your
positioning or whatever bunk you sleep on.
Yes.
Sorry, we've been interrupted by our dog
who's clearly having a very loud dream.
I don't know if the microphone will
pick that up, but it's very cute.
Very cute. It's funny how we're talking about sex and then
there's mad noises going on in the background.
Yeah. So depending on what position you take
in the bedroom, obviously you want to
make that specific to your training.
So like you're saying, hip thrusts,
quad exercises, hamstrings, glute exercises, brilliant.
If you're a top, if you're bottoming,
maybe flexibility is going to be a
wee bit more important to you.
Core strength as well, depending on what positions
that you're going to be getting into.
And I mean, if you're an absolute power
bottom who likes to try lots of different
positions, things like, you know, strengthening up your
quads could be really important if you are
the kind of person that likes to get
on top and dominate as a power bottom.
These are all very realistic goals to
train for in the gym that can
have a real life benefit for you.
Absolutely. And if you're vers, like us,
you just need to train everything.
Giving away all our secrets on the show, Alan.
So we're an open book.
You know that.
Do you want to rephrase that?
Why?
Because that sounds like
we're saying something else.
Open book as in terms
of information that we provide.
Yes. Yes, very much so.
But yeah, we see the benefit in our sex life
from the training that we do in the gym.
Wouldn't you say so?
Absolutely. Yes.
Would you say so?
Definitely. Good.
Yes. Yes.
We can, I mean, we can last a long time.
Giving away all our secrets.
Yeah. And as I've already said previously, like, we
definitely have no problems in the erection area.
And again, a lot of that
comes down to our cardiovascular health.
I think as well, diet has
got an important factor in that.
But that's maybe another podcast show.
Yeah. You're going to hear me say something that I
don't usually say, but enough sex for now.
Okay.
Let's do one last example.
So we talked about tennis earlier.
So off the top of your head, how would
perhaps somebody who really likes playing tennis and wants
to get back into it, adapt their training plan
to start really focusing on that in the gym?
So off the top of my head, I
would say unilateral work is going to be
really good for someone who plays tennis.
So training each side individually.
Yes. Dumbbells, for instance, can be great because both sides
of your body need to work equally if you're
using a dumbbell in each hand, for instance.
Yeah, yeah.
Think dumbbells, kettlebells, not so much barbells
because they're not going to work unilaterally.
One side of your body can cheat
and do a bit more work.
Exactly, yeah.
You want to maybe think about
some core work as well.
So working on that is going to be
super important, especially if you're twisting in tennis.
Maybe go and research about how you can
train your core in a rotational manner.
I mean, Russian twists are really, really good,
where you hold a weight or a kettlebell
and you're twisting from side to side.
That will give you immense rotational power, which
is super important for sports like tennis.
And I think with tennis, you'd obviously
want some explosive work as well.
Yeah, maybe some plyometric training would
be good to throw in.
And again, we're not
giving individual advice here.
What we're saying is, you
now have some inspiration.
If this is you, if you are
this person, go and do some research
about the stuff that we mentioned, the
unilateral, the plyometric, the rotational core work.
Use this as your impetus to then say, okay,
let's try new things in the gym to get
me unstuck from what I have been doing.
Exactly. It's about breaking through that wall
that we talked about earlier.
So at the outset, we said this
was going to be three steps.
We have actually covered step one, which
was discovering and connecting with your why.
We've covered step three, which is building your strategy
and your programming around your why, but we actually
skipped step two, and we purposely did that because
we just want this to be the last thing
that we leave people with.
So the second step is super important, and
it's probably one of the most difficult to
do because it is connect with your why,
remember your reason, remind yourself every single day.
Yeah, that's your motivator, isn't it?
That's you visiting your
discipline every single day.
You know, some people might find that really easy.
Other people might find that really
difficult to revisit this daily.
So a post-it note on your fridge is brilliant.
You're going to see it every single day.
And what you write on that is your why.
Why you're getting up at 5am if
you're a morning person for the gym.
Why you get into the gym after work
at 5 o'clock when it's absolutely heaving.
That's your why.
So make sure that you can see it every day.
And for those tuning in who are young and
don't know what a post-it note is, an alternative
could be that maybe you change your phone wallpaper.
Maybe you jump into Instagram stories, use the
text, write what your why is, take a
screenshot, set it as your wallpaper.
Look at you, pure down with the kids.
Look at you not.
We have prattled on for long enough here.
Let's just summarise then.
So our three steps.
Step one is, identify your why.
Know the reasons for going to the gym.
Step two, remember your why.
Remind yourself on a daily basis.
Have visual cues, whatever you need, but connect
with your why and your reasons every day.
And step three is to build your
plan and your strategy around your why.
And one last note is, maybe your why, maybe
your reasons will change as time goes on.
So feel free to revisit this stuff.
It's not a failure, in inverted quotes,
if you need to change things up
a little bit, if your life changes.
So flexibility is important. Absolutely.
Right, I think we are done there.
So why don't we wrap up the show?
Hopefully after that fitness section, you feel that you
are ready to go it alone and just do
the next stage of your fitness journey.
But if you are like the client that we
spoke about earlier, and so many of the other
guys that we have worked with, and maybe you
need a little support and a little help to
bring you there, you can work with us.
So Alan and I run Outlifting.
It is an online fitness coaching business
specifically for gay, bi, and trans guys.
It's built for you by guys
who know exactly what you need.
We provide coaching plans, nutrition
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There is so much to what we offer.
If you think that you could benefit from
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You can then decide if we are a good fit for you.
And if you want to take that forward,
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So book in for your free discovery call now.
Link is in the show notes.
So that is us for another week.
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